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I have used a clear foil for the first hit, and followed with a
colored foil, with some success, especia;lly on the rainbow cloth from
ecological fibers.
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> 1. Black foil issues (Aaron Salik)
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> (Eric Alstrom, GBW Communications Chair)
> 3. Re: Black foil issues (Julie Sullivan)
> 4. Re: Black foil issues (Priscilla Spitler)
> 5. Re: Black foil issues (Julie Sullivan)
> 6. Re: Black foil issues (mark andersson)
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> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:31:56 -0400
> From: "Aaron Salik" <aaron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [GBW] Black foil issues
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> Julie,
>
> This one can be a difficult one to diagnose, but I would try a few things.
>
> First try stamping onto a sheet of paper or other material to make sure the
> adhesive on the foil is sound. This will also help in tweaking the
> temperature to find the right setting, and getting a better "feel" for the
> foil. I would also try stamping onto a different piece of leather to see
> how that goes, as sometimes it is an issue of incompatibility of the
> adhesive and the finish on the leather.
>
> I am not sure how I feel about using the glaire, but I would try a paste
> wash on the leather. If it is an issue with the adhesive not liking the
> finish on the leather, this may help provide a better surface for it to go
> down.
>
> Colored foils can be finicky, and from what I hear white is normally one of
> the worst. I have also heard in desperate situations of people stamping one
> color that they know works (in your case gold or silver) to create a
> foundation, and then stamping the next color down on top of this. In your
> case I would be weary of such an obvious color not being completely masked
> around the shoulders of the impression, and is more useful in times where a
> similar of non-obtrusive color (such as clear) is found to be working.
>
> I would also continue to play with the temperature, pressure, and dwell time
> as it's really is the proper mixture of these three elements that will yield
> the best results.
>
> Of course there are people here with MUCH more experience than myself, and
> would be interested to hear their suggestions as well.
>
> Regards,
> Aaron Salik
>
> Talas
> 20 West 20th Street
> New York, NY 10011
> 212-219-0770 Phone
> 212-219-0735 Fax
> http://talasonline.com
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:36:37 -0400
> From: "Eric Alstrom, GBW Communications Chair"
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> Subject: [GBW] FWD: This day is published: Maureen Duke, an album
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:42:57 -0500
> From: Julie Sullivan <julie3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [GBW] Black foil issues
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> Thanks for on and off list comments. I've done some more testing, but
> since the HHI temp is supposed to reach 110 today in Dallas, I'm not
> playing with my hot stamper anymore. :-)
>
> But, I do have some results to report.
>
> At a temperature just under 250, copper die on paper:
> 1. Gold foil holds detail and looks great.
> 2. Green foil totally blurs and looses all detail; obviously too hot.
> 3. Black foil leaves no impression at all.
>
> At a temperature 275, copper die on paper:
> 1. Didn't see the need to test gold or green.
> 2. Brown foil left impression, not as nice as gold
> 3. Black foil leaves no impression at all.
>
> At a temperature of 300, copper die, black foil only on paper AND
> leather.
> 1. Paper impression is fairly crisp.
> 2. Leather impression takes long dwell time and several impressions
> (i.e. fresh foil) in order to leave any foil on the leather. Results
> still spotty. VERY easy to overdo it and create a muddy impression.
> My guess is that's the temp is really too hot but the foil simply
> doesn't react at anything lower. Faulty adhesive on this roll?
>
> FYI, I've previously tested the mag and copper die on many scraps of
> leather. Plus, I've never had any issues with hot stamping on the
> vegetable-tanned leather from Harmatan. It's just the black that's
> been troublesome. I don't think it's the leather.
>
> After using half of a brand new roll of black foil and many, many
> leather scraps, I'm seeking suggestions for a different manufacturer
> of black foil, or, very dark grey. Think I've had it with this one.
>
> Aaron, do you carry any other brands? Any others have suggestions of
> good black/dark grey foil manufacturer?
>
> Julie Sullivan
>
>
>
> On Jul 31, 2008, at 11:31 AM, Aaron Salik wrote:
>
> > Julie,
> >
> > This one can be a difficult one to diagnose, but I would try a few
> > things.
> >
> > First try stamping onto a sheet of paper or other material to make
> > sure the
> > adhesive on the foil is sound. This will also help in tweaking the
> > temperature to find the right setting, and getting a better "feel"
> > for the
> > foil. I would also try stamping onto a different piece of leather
> > to see
> > how that goes, as sometimes it is an issue of incompatibility of the
> > adhesive and the finish on the leather.
> >
> > I am not sure how I feel about using the glaire, but I would try a
> > paste
> > wash on the leather. If it is an issue with the adhesive not
> > liking the
> > finish on the leather, this may help provide a better surface for
> > it to go
> > down.
> >
> > Colored foils can be finicky, and from what I hear white is
> > normally one of
> > the worst. I have also heard in desperate situations of people
> > stamping one
> > color that they know works (in your case gold or silver) to create a
> > foundation, and then stamping the next color down on top of this.
> > In your
> > case I would be weary of such an obvious color not being completely
> > masked
> > around the shoulders of the impression, and is more useful in times
> > where a
> > similar of non-obtrusive color (such as clear) is found to be working.
> >
> > I would also continue to play with the temperature, pressure, and
> > dwell time
> > as it's really is the proper mixture of these three elements that
> > will yield
> > the best results.
> >
> > Of course there are people here with MUCH more experience than
> > myself, and
> > would be interested to hear their suggestions as well.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Aaron Salik
> >
> > Talas
> > 20 West 20th Street
> > New York, NY 10011
> > 212-219-0770 Phone
> > 212-219-0735 Fax
> > http://talasonline.com
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:46:44 -0600
> From: Priscilla Spitler <prispit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [GBW] Black foil issues
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> From my experience, as Aaron mentioned, matte white foil is the most
> difficult to stamp for solid areas. Second is black foil. It can be
> pretty finicky.
>
> As Aaron also mentioned it could be that that particular foil does not
> work on your leather surface.
>
> When doing set ups I work with a reject or scrap of the leather on the
> same board or card thickness I plan to stamp on. I adjust the temp or
> bed of the press as needed (for pressure), or do make-ready in areas
> that need it (building up areas on a set up board or piece of plexi
> that I can remove to add stops for registration), and I experiment with
> dwell time.
>
> If the foil of choice does not work well by itself, I will try using
> another foil close in color or texture to make my first impression as a
> base or barrier. Actually this is a second impression, I blind stamp
> first to even out the leather surface for smooth stamping. If I get a
> good impression with the base foil, then I stamp over it with the
> colored foil I wish to use.
>
> Generally I find that black foil works best with lower temps. Perhaps
> lower temp and more dwell time. However, when a foil does not release
> at all as you have mentioned, it usually means it is not hot enough,
> that or simply not suitable for the surface you are stamping.
>
> Lastly, I have been told over the years that some black foils have a
> shelf life. Have others found this to be true?
>
> Good luck, Julie,
>
> Priscilla Spitler
>
>
> On Jul 31, 2008, at 8:43 AM, Julie Sullivan wrote:
>
> > Hello All -
> >
> > I'm having trouble getting a good impression using black foil
> > purchased from Talas. Aaron, please chime in if you have
> > suggestions.:-)
> >
> > I'm using a custom copper die obtained from Owosso. Previously I had a
> > magnesium die with the same image and I thought it might be the die
> > and so ordered the copper version. The die image does have some
> > intricate detailing, but I still have problems even where the image is
> > not intricate.
> >
> > I'm stamping on Harmatan leather, which under all other circumstances
> > is a beauty to stamp on, using a Kwikprint model 86.
> >
> > Consistently, the black foil simply doesn't stick to the leather. I've
> > even tried applying glare on the image area, which is not needed with
> > gold or silver foil. Testing with gold foil yields expected results,
> > so I've narrowed the issue to be the foil. I've tried temps of 250 to
> > 300 to no avail. Also, played with dwell times and pressure.
> >
> > Thoughts, suggestions?
> >
> > Julie Sullivan
> > ****************************************************
> > GBW: The email list for GBW member communications
> >
> > GBW Standards - October 16-18, 2008
> > Toronto, Ontario
> > More info at http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byorg/gbw/standards.shtml
> >
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> >
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>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:55:38 -0500
> From: Julie Sullivan <julie3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [GBW] Black foil issues
> To: The email list for Guild of Book Workers member communications
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>
> Thanks Priscilla! My foil was purchased this year. But, obviously one
> can't know when it rolled off the assembly line at its factory.
>
> I've pretty much done all that you've mentioned. I've been at this
> for a few weeks now, only getting the new copper die yesterday which
> I thought might do the trick. When it didn't I posted my woes to the
> GBW list to get input from the very best bookbinding minds.
>
> I worked through half of a good leather skin (what I intended to use
> for the project) trying to get it right and then moved to testing
> every brown 23 leather scrap I have. (The image on leather is in a
> small frame on the front of the book and not a stamping on the actual
> leather of the book cover.)
>
> Having tested different foils on leather, tested different temps,
> dwell time, pressure . . . now even different types of metal for the
> die, I'm 99% convinced the problem is this particular roll of black
> foil for whatever reason or reasons; it's just not the right choice
> for the project.
>
> Julie
>
>
>
> On Jul 31, 2008, at 1:46 PM, Priscilla Spitler wrote:
>
> > From my experience, as Aaron mentioned, matte white foil is the
> > most difficult to stamp for solid areas. Second is black foil. It
> > can be pretty finicky.
> >
> > As Aaron also mentioned it could be that that particular foil does
> > not work on your leather surface.
> >
> > When doing set ups I work with a reject or scrap of the leather on
> > the same board or card thickness I plan to stamp on. I adjust the
> > temp or bed of the press as needed (for pressure), or do make-ready
> > in areas that need it (building up areas on a set up board or piece
> > of plexi that I can remove to add stops for registration), and I
> > experiment with dwell time.
> >
> > If the foil of choice does not work well by itself, I will try
> > using another foil close in color or texture to make my first
> > impression as a base or barrier. Actually this is a second
> > impression, I blind stamp first to even out the leather surface for
> > smooth stamping. If I get a good impression with the base foil,
> > then I stamp over it with the colored foil I wish to use.
> >
> > Generally I find that black foil works best with lower temps.
> > Perhaps lower temp and more dwell time. However, when a foil does
> > not release at all as you have mentioned, it usually means it is
> > not hot enough, that or simply not suitable for the surface you are
> > stamping.
> >
> > Lastly, I have been told over the years that some black foils have
> > a shelf life. Have others found this to be true?
> >
> > Good luck, Julie,
> >
> > Priscilla Spitler
> >
> >
> > On Jul 31, 2008, at 8:43 AM, Julie Sullivan wrote:
> >
> >> Hello All -
> >>
> >> I'm having trouble getting a good impression using black foil
> >> purchased from Talas. Aaron, please chime in if you have
> >> suggestions.:-)
> >>
> >> I'm using a custom copper die obtained from Owosso. Previously I
> >> had a magnesium die with the same image and I thought it might be
> >> the die and so ordered the copper version. The die image does have
> >> some intricate detailing, but I still have problems even where the
> >> image is not intricate.
> >>
> >> I'm stamping on Harmatan leather, which under all other
> >> circumstances is a beauty to stamp on, using a Kwikprint model 86.
> >>
> >> Consistently, the black foil simply doesn't stick to the leather.
> >> I've even tried applying glare on the image area, which is not
> >> needed with gold or silver foil. Testing with gold foil yields
> >> expected results, so I've narrowed the issue to be the foil. I've
> >> tried temps of 250 to 300 to no avail. Also, played with dwell
> >> times and pressure.
> >>
> >> Thoughts, suggestions?
> >>
> >> Julie Sullivan
> >> ****************************************************
> >> GBW: The email list for GBW member communications
> >>
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> >> Toronto, Ontario
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:24:07 -0700
> From: mark andersson <markandersson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [GBW] Black foil issues
> To: The email list for Guild of Book Workers member communications
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> Hi Julie!
>
> Have you considered using carbon instead? It certainly doesn't get as black
> as a good black foil, but might do the trick with enough passes.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 7/31/08 12:55, "Julie Sullivan" <julie3@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Priscilla! My foil was purchased this year. But, obviously one
> > can't know when it rolled off the assembly line at its factory.
> >
> > I've pretty much done all that you've mentioned. I've been at this
> > for a few weeks now, only getting the new copper die yesterday which
> > I thought might do the trick. When it didn't I posted my woes to the
> > GBW list to get input from the very best bookbinding minds.
> >
> > I worked through half of a good leather skin (what I intended to use
> > for the project) trying to get it right and then moved to testing
> > every brown 23 leather scrap I have. (The image on leather is in a
> > small frame on the front of the book and not a stamping on the actual
> > leather of the book cover.)
> >
> > Having tested different foils on leather, tested different temps,
> > dwell time, pressure . . . now even different types of metal for the
> > die, I'm 99% convinced the problem is this particular roll of black
> > foil for whatever reason or reasons; it's just not the right choice
> > for the project.
> >
> > Julie
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jul 31, 2008, at 1:46 PM, Priscilla Spitler wrote:
> >
> >> From my experience, as Aaron mentioned, matte white foil is the
> >> most difficult to stamp for solid areas. Second is black foil. It
> >> can be pretty finicky.
> >>
> >> As Aaron also mentioned it could be that that particular foil does
> >> not work on your leather surface.
> >>
> >> When doing set ups I work with a reject or scrap of the leather on
> >> the same board or card thickness I plan to stamp on. I adjust the
> >> temp or bed of the press as needed (for pressure), or do make-ready
> >> in areas that need it (building up areas on a set up board or piece
> >> of plexi that I can remove to add stops for registration), and I
> >> experiment with dwell time.
> >>
> >> If the foil of choice does not work well by itself, I will try
> >> using another foil close in color or texture to make my first
> >> impression as a base or barrier. Actually this is a second
> >> impression, I blind stamp first to even out the leather surface for
> >> smooth stamping. If I get a good impression with the base foil,
> >> then I stamp over it with the colored foil I wish to use.
> >>
> >> Generally I find that black foil works best with lower temps.
> >> Perhaps lower temp and more dwell time. However, when a foil does
> >> not release at all as you have mentioned, it usually means it is
> >> not hot enough, that or simply not suitable for the surface you are
> >> stamping.
> >>
> >> Lastly, I have been told over the years that some black foils have
> >> a shelf life. Have others found this to be true?
> >>
> >> Good luck, Julie,
> >>
> >> Priscilla Spitler
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 31, 2008, at 8:43 AM, Julie Sullivan wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello All -
> >>>
> >>> I'm having trouble getting a good impression using black foil
> >>> purchased from Talas. Aaron, please chime in if you have
> >>> suggestions.:-)
> >>>
> >>> I'm using a custom copper die obtained from Owosso. Previously I
> >>> had a magnesium die with the same image and I thought it might be
> >>> the die and so ordered the copper version. The die image does have
> >>> some intricate detailing, but I still have problems even where the
> >>> image is not intricate.
> >>>
> >>> I'm stamping on Harmatan leather, which under all other
> >>> circumstances is a beauty to stamp on, using a Kwikprint model 86.
> >>>
> >>> Consistently, the black foil simply doesn't stick to the leather.
> >>> I've even tried applying glare on the image area, which is not
> >>> needed with gold or silver foil. Testing with gold foil yields
> >>> expected results, so I've narrowed the issue to be the foil. I've
> >>> tried temps of 250 to 300 to no avail. Also, played with dwell
> >>> times and pressure.
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts, suggestions?
> >>>
> >>> Julie Sullivan
> >>> ****************************************************
> >>> GBW: The email list for GBW member communications
> >>>
> >>> GBW Standards - October 16-18, 2008
> >>> Toronto, Ontario
> >>> More info at http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byorg/gbw/standards.shtml
> >>>
> >>> The GBW website is supported and maintained by
> >>> Conservation OnLine http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byorg/gbw
> >>>
> >>> To post messages, email to GBW@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>> For problems, contact Eric Alstrom, List Manager:
> >>> gbwlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>> For info about the list, visit http://mailman.lib.msu.edu/mailman/
> >>> listinfo/gbw
> >>> ****************************************************
> >>>
> >>
> >> ****************************************************
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> >> Toronto, Ontario
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> >>
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